Hwasin: Controller of the Heart
[Jang Gwang, Gong Hyung Jin, Kim Woo Bin, Kim Kyung Ran, Shim Yi Young]
What's the most frequent lie told by men?
Nobody is more beautiful than Hee Sun.
- Oh. - That's Hyung Jin!
So mysterious...
Women used to chase me.
Why don't you seem to believe it?
Thank you.
- He looks okay in person too? - Oh, wow. I am getting the chills.
[We asked Koreans how they really think and feel.]
[We'll share the results with you.]
We have very unique chemistry here today. Don't we?
I was surprised by this as well.
We don't get to see most of them on variety shows.
She's pretty popular these days, right?
- She played Jang Kun's mom in 'My Husband Got a Family.'
- Hi everyone. - Shim Yi Young.
It's true!
Well done, my son!
Shim Yi Young.
Many people think you started acting only recently.
Yes, people think I just started acting
- but I debuted in the year 2000. - It has been 13 years?
I didn't recognize Yi Young.
She looks very different from how she looked back then.
She looks different in 'My Husband Got a Family' compared to her current roles.
Show us how you act in 'My Husband Got a Family' and in your current role.
Sweetie, I am so glad to see you today.
[As Jang Kun's mom in 'My Husband Got a Family.']
Let's say I am glad to see you too, Hee Sun.
You look okay.
I won't say anything because I look pretty in person.
Thank you.
- Her face is so small too. - It's half as big as mine.
So I asked them to seat her far away.
I have no idea what to think with both of you sitting beside me.
I noticed they seat female guests beside Hee Sun.
So I gave up on stealing the spotlight.
What else can I do?
Is it okay for an anchorwoman to have a slim body like hers?
I never knew she looked sexy.
I wonder how much she wanted to dress that way before becoming a freelancer.
Is that why you became a freelancer?
[Friendship between ladies grows through an exchange of praises.]
In the previous episodes of Hwasin
no matter what Hee Sun said, both of them went along with it so well.
Both of you are so good at making thing flow so smoothly.
No, we get hurt by what she says.
My wife and I fight whenever the show airs.
Hee Sun is the only winner here.
It's not a win/win.
I worked with Jong Shin when I made an appearance on MBC.
That day she was praising MBC so much.
Now she's looking for another business partner.
She'll be successful.
- Was that the first deal? - It's her worldly wisdom.
I think the saying 'Life starts at 60' is made for him.
He was in 'The Crucible,' 'Masquerade,' 'I Am a Murderer,' and 'New World.'
A blue chip in the Korean movie industry, Jang Gwang!
In 'Masquerade,' he played an eunuch with the deepest voice in history.
[He played an eunuch who has a deep voice.]
The preparation of dinner is finished, Your Majesty.
Right, he has an air of dignity and poise.
It was an eunuch who felt like he was wealthy or something.
I think it was like this.
He looked like a king who wanted to pretend to be an eunuch for a little while.
Oh, that's right.
[Eunuch Cho was full of dignity.]
I heard that everyone in your family is in show business.
Somehow it worked out that way.
Yi Young, you are in 'A Hundred Year's Inheritance,' right?
In that TV drama, she plays Mrs. Park.
I go, 'Mrs. Park.'
She is an actress.
She was in 'King of Baking' as well.
It's been a long time since she performed in TV dramas.
But she was a big actress.
I am excited about today, because we have Mr. Gong Hyung Jin, a special host, here.
Am I a special host today?
- He lost so much weight. - Yes, yes.
I was so surprised.
Nowadays, there are many kinds of weight loss methods.
There are many methods that are leading the trends.
I think it's a good idea to change your lifestyle.
Hyun Jin, I know. But I can't.
But it is possible.
Let's ask Woo Bin who never gains weight no matter how much he eats.
I love to eat and I am gluttonous as well.
But...
But my philosophy is to eat as much as I want and work out hard.
Today is Woo Bin's first appearance on a variety show.
This is the first time I am sitting at the same table with them today.
Hyung Jin said he feels so comfortable here.
But I feel so... uncomfortable.
Tell us what TV programs you were on.
Most recently I played Park Heung Soo in 'School 2013.'
In 'Dignity of Gentlemen,' I played a high schooler who has crush on Kim Ha Neul.
Ah, that's right.
If you want to marry a public servant, you need to at least have a university degree.
But I am handsome.
Ah, that's right.
- You were that student? - I was that student.
- Did you watch the show? - Pardon?
But you don't watch TV dramas that you aren't in, right?
What was the title of it again?
[Seems she watched the official broadcasts.]
He has the name many men want: Woo Bin.
- Is it your real name? - No, it's not.
- Your real name is? - Kim Hyun Joong.
His voice is... One that women love so much.
It's sweet and macho at the same time.
She's too shy to say he looks handsome, so she talks about his voice.
[A handsome voice, a handsome face!]
That's how women usually do it.
Men, why?
Women, why?
Show us the problem!
[Recognition of a problem.]
[Today's place is a master's bedroom.]
Why is he coming home so late again?
We'll see what happens if he walks in drunk again.
They said on Hwasin that everything will be fine
if I walk in drunk while drinking a beer.
Okay...
Why are you so late again? You were drinking all night, right?
What are you saying? What do you mean I drank all night?
I bought just one beer at the store after working overtime.
- Please take my jacket. - All right.
I'll trust you this time but if you do this again...
Oh, man. It's killing me.
Oh my, oh my, oh my! Hold it.
What... What... What is this?
This is a dried snack for drinking. You were drinking tonight.
- Come on now. - No, it's not that.
The cafeteria gave it to us for lunch. I brought some for you.
Honey, what do you mean I've been drinking?
- It's true, right? - Of course.
I trust you, okay?
- Oh, man. It hurts. - Gosh.
Oh... What?
What... What is this? It's a tambourine.
It's a microphone. You call these your work papers?
Honey, these are...
As I told you before, it's a new item our company came up with.
It's a tambourine that lights up. This microphone too.
Why can't you trust me?
You want me to believe that?
Did you pay for the drinks too? Tell me.
Honey, let's say I drank...
I don't have any money to pay for the drinks.
What's wrong?
Oh, at this hour? Who is it?
- All the way to our bedroom... - Hi.
I am Jeong Woo Seong, the waiter.
A little short, right?
You left your credit card. And here is your receipt.
[Wow!]
Why would you bring these all the way to my home?
You are our V.I.P. client. Of course we should bring them to you.
You filled up your card for a free one.
We'll get you any kind of drink for free.
Honey!
Are you crazy?
Hold it.
You are our V.V.I.P. client?
Aren't you a premium card holder, Kim Hee Sun?
No, you are talking to the wrong person.
- No, I am not. - You should combine your points.
Then, you get three free drinks.
What this, honey? What is he talking about?
What? You should've told me a perfect lie like I did.
Wait. How could two of our preferred customers live together?
What's this? Why are you acting so awkward today?
What's wrong?
- Your acting is getting weird. - Do you live together?
Everyone, how many times a day do you lie to your spouse or lover?
Ten times, twenty times, or countless times?
Men and women tell each other lies often.
What's the lie that's most frequently told between men and women?
The biggest lie told between men and women.
How could their answers be so different?
That's true.
There are stark differences between men and women.
Since Kyung Ran used to be an anchorwoman, she looks like she wouldn't tell a lie.
But I think she would tell a perfect lie.
There was this one time where I lied on this blind date I went on.
- When was this? - You, Kyung Ran?
- Was it right after you became a freelancer? - Went on a blind date as soon as she could.
'I will go on a blind date when I become a freelancer.'
It's not like she was going to university.
I didn't need to contact him if I didn't like him
but I felt some attraction.
I think it was on our fourth or fifth date.
Because I was working late that day, so we went on a date very late.
So we had supper very late.
We were eating sushi that day.
After, he wanted us to go watch a movie.
I agreed to it, so we went to watch a movie.
It was a three hour long movie.
- It was Cloud Atlas, right? - No, it was way before that.
Oh, he's so sharp.
I should watch out for him today.
When we were watching that movie
I felt nausea and pain in my stomach.
It was only 30 minutes into the movie
- but I already felt nauseated and dizzy. - It must have been the sushi.
An acute indigestion.
And it was a 3D movie as well.
Those make you so dizzy.
- You were breaking out in a cold sweat, right? - I was.
I had on 3D glasses and I was feeling nauseated and dizzy.
But the movie had a long way to go.
I thought...
'I am in big trouble. What should I do?'
Because he was so into the movie, I couldn't say anything.
And you liked him too.
Yes, I liked him too.
I endured it to the end.
By the end, I was so dizzy that I couldn't remember the movie.
I couldn't remember anything. I felt like I was being tested for my level of patience.
I have a talent in enduring, you know.
And the movie was over.
On my way out, I was so dizzy that I couldn't even walk.
I went home and I was groaning and moaning in pain all night.
I was so sick and I slipped in and out of sleep until the morning.
It was a holiday the day after.
In the morning, he called me.
He was talking for two hours, but I couldn't hang up the phone.
So that's your personality, Kyung Ran.
I told you I am talented in enduring, right? I thought it would just go away.
As time passed, it wasn't getting better. So I started thinking about going to a hospital.
'I think I need to go to a hospital.'
I told him that and I hung up.
And then, I somehow got to a hospital.
The doctor who diagnosed me said...
'Wasn't it painful?'
- Why, why? - He said I had food poisoning.
He asked me how I endured it when it was an acute case.
You could die from it.
- 'How did you endure it?' - 'Ah, yes... '
Then I got a shot of Ringer's solution for over two hours.
Does that show patience or indecisiveness?
- You could call it an indecisiveness. - I didn't want to make him worry.
Rather than indecisiveness
you could call her 'Miss Stifled.'
Gwang, I wanted to say that so bad.
When she was telling was story... You know how Hee Sun can't stand things like that?
'Oh, so frustrating, so frustrating, so frustrating.'
Hee Sun, what if you were in that situation?
'Can you drive me to a hospital right now?'
'You know what was wrong with that sushi?'
'I think there was something wrong with that sushi,' I would tell him.
You know that we are the same age, right?
- We are. - Are we?
I was going to talk down to you.
- She looks so young. - I shouldn't have said that.
When we were doing that skit
I whispered and asked him, 'She's younger than me, right?
- So, I said-- - 'Yes, she is.'
'Most of them are younger than you are,' I told her.
No, no, why don't you talk like close friends?
Really?
Nice to... meet you.
I have an anchorwoman as a friend.
I have an actress as a friend too.
Since you are friends, say things like, 'Hey girl.'
Having listened to Kyung Ran's story
she seems to have a difficult time saying 'no.'
I think Kyung Ran's man should be someone who is quick-witted.
So he knows that she can't say that she's feeling sick.
I was an anchorwoman for morning news, and because I was so stressed out
I anchored the news even when I had stomach spasms.
When they held an Open Concert at Wando
we got into a car accident on our way there.
A car collided into our van so hard that it was almost bent it in half.
Everyone in our van suffered a neck injury.
I hosted Open Concert anyway.
As soon as it was over, I got into an ambulance.
Because I feel responsible to do my job no matter what happens.
So it's my fault even if I feel sick.
You were working so hard for KBS.
Why did you quit that job? You were working so hard.
Didn't you want to die working for KBS?
[Let's check your answer.]
'I pretend I am not sick even when he asks me if I am sick.'
Let's check the answer!
[Not on the list!]
- Better to get air around you neck. - Was it okay?
It did go that way.
Hee Sun know that you look the worst when the wind blows that way.
Aren't you not supposed to come between the guest and the host?
- What's wrong with you? - I get all the blame?
When I heard you say that
I thought, 'Why would he say that?'
We need to create synergy here.
How could you call that a win/win?
- That's right. - He's not as you expected, right?
It should be a win/win/win but it's a win/win.
Rather than small lies
are we talking about the biggest lies of our lives?
It's the most frequently told lies between men and women. It's not something hardcore.
'You are my first.' Something like this?
'You are my first!'
When they talk about physical intimacy, women say
'You are my first.'
But you don't talk about it before he brings it up, right?
Right, men always ask it first.
But asking about it isn't really... a polite thing to do.
Asking, 'How many times have you... '
They don't ask it like that.
- There are men who do that. - And on the other hand...
I am curious about the psychology of women.
Do you like to be seen as someone who is skilled at sex?
Or do you like to be seen as someone who is awkward at it?
You shouldn't be seen as someone skilled at it even if you are.
Isn't that so?
The first stage of physical intimacy is the sweetest of the times, right?
Is it easy to control how intimate you become with that person when you are so in love?
- How about you, Woo Bin? - In my case, it's not about that but...
I don't ask about their past.
Because I am afraid that I might feel hurt. Because it makes me imagine stuff and feel bad.
I tend to feel sensitive about things like that.
One day, my girlfriend showed me her friends on her social network account.
I wondered if the list included her ex-boyfriend.
I wanted to ask his name so badly, but it would look so obvious.
So I let it go that time, but I waited for about ten days.
You looked for a chance to bring it up casually.
I took me about ten days to find that opening.
I asked about it before I called to say goodnight to her.
But I think it was too obvious. It seemed that way even when I think about it.
How did you ask her?
Before hanging up, I said, 'Good night.'
'How about your ex-boyfriend... '
No difference at all.
That was all he could think about.
'I should ask her today. I should ask her today.'
And so...
She replied, since she knew what was going on, 'Why? Why? So you can look him up?'
'So you can look him up?' She even knew why you wanted to know.
I remember feeling very hurt after looking at his photo
because it allowed me to imagine them together.
What was the photo of?
It was a photo of him playing a game at a coffee shop.
I think she was with him.
You found out how he looked, right?
Did he look handsome in that photo?
He looked handsome and cool.
I see.
My boyfriend wasn't asking anything about my past or my ex-boyfriend.
But he knew the log in and the password for my email and cell phone accounts.
This was when mini personal homepages were very popular.
One day he calls me and asked, 'Who is this guy?' And he told me the name.
It was the name of my ex-boyfriend.
'It's a friend of mine. What's the matter?' I asked him.
'Why is your old friend contacting you out of blue like this?'
'What have you done lately that he wants you to become like an online family?'
He was telling me things like that.
I was so confused by it.
He was just a really old friend of mine who sent me a friend request.
So he read the list.
I didn't even see that request and my boyfriend got so upset about it.
I logged into my homepage the next day.
When I did, it said, 'This person's account doesn't exist anymore.'
- Your boyfriend's homepage? - No, my homepage.
Your boyfriend canceled your homepage?
My boyfriend canceled my account, because he knew the password.
Oh my God!
He exploded my homepage into nothingness.
He exploded it into thin air.
You liked him so much, but it was a problem for you, right?
Right, yes.
Oh so interesting. Tell me about your other boyfriends.
- She went out with many unique people. - It seems he's the most normal of them all.
Shall we talk about hardcore things?
There was also this one time...
I parked my car somewhere.
I got a text soon after.
'I saw you at a parking lot. And this is my name... ' That was the text message.
When I parked the car, I put my contact information on the front windows just in case. Right?
I told my boyfriend about it as if it didn't mean anything.
'I parked my car there and some guy sent a text. Isn't that funny? What should I do?'
I told him like that.
Then he went to to say, 'How do you carry yourself out there?'
'What kind of places do you park your car?'
All did was park my car there.
- That's unfair. - You shouldn't have talked about it.
Know that you are attractive and know not to talk to your boyfriend about it.
But I was so fascinated by it.
How could he have seen me in that split second and get my information and...
- Are you boasting about it? - No, it was never like that.
That made your boyfriend angry.
Listening to Yi Young's story today, I think... she is...
very innocently violent.
I thought this one thing was so funny.
He left his homepage address.
- He wanted me to check him out. - Via his homepage, right!
- Did you check his homepage? - Of course, anyone would be so curious.
You checked his home page, right?
- I did. - How was he?
Okay, let's give it shot.
'You are my first.'
[Sixth place for both men and women.]
'I say it's my first time.'
Men say that? Men say that?
It's sixth place for women as well.
Isn't there something like...
'Were you popular among other women?' 'No, I wasn't.'
So you tell her that you weren't popular.
- I think there is a generational gap here. - It's the opposite to how it is now.
- But in reality-- - You were popular.
- How was it really? - I was really popular.
Just because we cannot disprove it...
In my twenties and when I had hair...
I was pretty handsome. I was really...
Nobody seems to believe me.
This is what I heard about it.
You went to same university with Lee Duk Hwa in the same year.
I heard you guys went to Dongkuk University.
Who was more popular, Lee Duk Hwa or you?
Of course he was more popular.
But his... father was a superstar.
He was popular when he was a teenager as well.
No, that was before he became a star.
If his father wasn't as famous?
He would still be more popular.
Also he was a such a great talker as well.
- Yes, he is. - 'Please show us.'
Even back then?
That's how he used to talk ever since he was young.
Did you go on a lot of group dates?
There was this one group date that was so well-organized.
Lee Duk Hwa and I were talking and...
He is so clever with things like this.
'Gwang, let's make an amazing group meeting happen since everyone else is doing it.'
'Let's go on a group date.'
You know how he smiles when he thinks of something that is funny?
Yes, yes, yes he does.
Dance majors. They were the ones who were both lean and glamorous.
They were tall and slim.
We set up a group date with dance students of Ewha Woman's University.
There were about 25 male students from our university.
But we found out that there were only 15 people from their side.
It's like a group meeting between universities.
We were wondering what to do about it.
We decide to find female students from another university.
So we decided to contact dance students at Han University
because we heard the students there are pretty.
So Duk Hwa talked to the ladies at Ewha Woman's University and I talked to the ladies at Han University.
We had to walk from Toegyero to my university.
We couldn't walk together so we walked as separate groups.
I asked for their understanding because we needed more students from another university.
They didn't mind that.
But it's upsetting for them to come face to face with the other group, right?
So we had them come to our university with five minutes time difference.
It must have been a sight!
Imagine a group of 20 to 30 walking together.
Guys were already waiting for them.
There was a coffee shop on campus.
We were standing by the coffee shop.
What was interesting about that day was.
We had everyone dress in black suits
and white handkerchiefs in the top pocket.
We had access to a spotlight, right?
We moved it to the coffee shop.
We turned off the lights before they walked in.
Whenever someone walked in, we put the spotlight on that person.
[When a lady walked in, they placed the light on her.]
The guys were wearing white gloves and holding a rose.
That's romantic.
Thinking about it now, it's still a great idea.
Whenever a lady walked in, we placed the spotlight on her
and a man, wearing a black suit, presented a rose to her.
- Oh, so charming. - And someone told them something romantic.
We had friends who were DJs.
We also had students who were singers.
Yes.
So it made for a spectacular evening.
Out of the male students who were majors in Theater and Film...
Were you and Lee Duk Hwa students at Dongkuk University in 1971?
- 1970. - They were two representatives for that class.
If they were able to organize a group meeting of this magnitude, they were probably so popular.
Finding your match was totally random.
In our time, we exchanged personal items.
We handed them a numbered ticket whenever a lady walked in.
We wrote catchy names on them.
For example, 'Gap Tol' and 'Gap Seun.'
That's how we were matched up.
- If it said, 'Let's meet at 12.' - 'Bravo.'
I got so into it.
We prepared 24 pairs of catchy names to find matches.
'I am Gap Tol.' 'And I am Gap Seun.'
When you held up your ticket, did your matched up partner seem happy?
You know...
I am not sure about that but I wasn't really into her.
[He set his hopes too high.]
- You were so picky. - It does seem that way.
It's a very romantic group date.
It must've been a very memorable event.
Would you like to check your answer?
I say... 'I wasn't popular back then when I really was.'
Let's check the answer!
[Not listed!]
Dong Yup has been popular among girls since high school.
- Really? - Yes, since high school.
- But you told her you weren't, right? - No, no.
Even back in high school, I was more mature than a high school student.
[He was already very mature.]
Back then, I was in the school radio club.
I was in the school band as well.
- Seriously? - Which schools did you perform at?
Ewhwa Woman's High School, Jinmyung Woman's High School,
Baehwa Woman's High School, Sangmyung Woman's High School.
And it took a lot of effort but
I performed at Seoul Woman's High School as well.
- Did everyone know who you were, Dong Yup? - I was somewhat popular back then.
Our club's festival was so popular--
And actually, Dong Yup was the most popular among his school year.
In my school year, I was the most popular.
Among tenth graders, Yoo Hee Yeul was the most popular.
Yoo Hee Yeul for tenth graders, Shin Dong Yup for eleventh graders and myself for twelfth graders.
- That's right. - Shin Dong Yup was in the radio club.
I was in the English newspaper club.
We also organized a film festival.
Yoo Hee Yeul showed a tremendous talent for music.
So he was popular.
But none of us were popular because we looked like Woo Bin.
So we needed to be very talkative and very, very talkative.
It took a lot of time to feel attracted to us.
But Woo Bin was popular for no particular reason.
'Did you see that?' Girls would say.
He seems to think it's so laughable.
- No, no. - Were you popular?
I graduated from a men's high school.
So did they.
I think I was very small-town back then.
He's humble person too.
People treat him as a big star.
Right.
When it comes to being popular, you can't forget about Hee Sun.
But she's thinking to herself...
'It's like you are teaching a bird how to fly. Are you kidding me?'
Are you done now?
Let's talk about the times when you starred in 'Chunhyangjeon.'
You know, in my case...
You'll find all that information on the internet.
- Can I check my answer? - Yes.
Lies men tell women.
'You are the most beautiful and lovable person in the world.'
- 'You are the only one for me.' - Yeah. 'You are the only one for me.'
Do you want to check your answer?
'You are the most beautiful and lovable person in the world.'
[Seventh place for men.]
It on seventh place for men.
When they are watching celebrities on TV...
Kim Tae...
More beautiful than Kim Hee Sun...
Kim Tae Hee... No, more beautiful than Kim Hee Sun...
It says Kim Tae Hee there.
Isn't this a typo?
- More beautiful than Kim Tae-- - She changed it to her own name.
I thought it was my name.
'You are one million times more beautiful than Kim Tae Hee.'
- I am sorry, Tae Hee. - What do you think about Kim Tae Hee.
I am not sure.
'I tell my wife she's more beautiful than a celebrity,' is in seventh place.
It says, 'She's more beautiful than Kim Tae Hee,' but you said 'a celebrity' instead.
I'll read it as 'Song Hye Gyo' instead.
Song Hye Gyo instead?
- Someone that you know? - Yes.
One could be more beautiful than Kim Tae Hee but could anyone be more beautiful than Kim Hee Sun?
[A sharp analyst, Gong Hyung Jin?]
- It's fits today's theme. - Yes!
[What's the most frequently told lie between men and women?]
Have you ever lied to your wife, Hyung Jin?
We've been married about 17 years now.
I am a dad, right? I am a dad, and the head of my household.
I certainly have things that I moan and groan about. And...
There times I just want to let it all go and collapse.
'It's all right. Don't worry about it.'
The kids are growing up and there are expenses that must be paid.
In our jobs, there are a lot of ups and downs, right?
And now I am too old to go ask my parents for help.
There might be many people around me
but while they maybe very rich and powerful
I can't ever go to them and ask for whatever they can sphere...
And the actors and peers your age start to do things they weren't doing before.
Right.
Even though things like that are so stressful and heavy, I say
'It's all right. Don't worry about me.'
I think that I am the only one who needs to be stressed and struggling.
That's when I think, 'Ah, my dad probably went through the same thing.'
I realize that my parents must have struggled so much all those years.
I received all those benefits from my parents
so what gives me the right to show this side of me to my kids?
'It's all right. Don't worry about it. Dad will take care of everything.'
'Ah, yes, I have my dad.'
'It's all right. No matter what happens, my dad will be there for me.'
They think this way.
So I can't just say
'I am struggling so much.'
'I am struggling. What should I do?'
In my thirties, I think I handled it by drinking with my friends and saying
'It's killing me. Let's drink,' and I think we cried as well.
But when I get together with my friends in my forties
- I could never say anything like that. - They don't care for it.
There is a lot of fake laughter.
I think people in their forties handle it.
They talk about things that don't matter, right?
I think it's an age where people are ashamed to feel that way.
- Have you ever cried by yourself? - I have.
By yourself?
- Recently? - Yes, recently.
Let's say I am by myself in my room.
- I once cried my eyes out. - Crying out loud?
I think if I allow myself to be honest and express those emotions
I think it feels so much better.
I am in the middle of acting in a TV drama for SBS that'll air soon.
Please let me finish. That's what I am doing these days.
I feel so happy working.
That was such an honest talk.
I don't think I've talked about it at any other show but Hwasin.
You start to feel that way in your early forties, right?
And you start to feel so sad too.
- You start to feel so sad... - It makes me feel sad.
There are so many people that make me sad.
I can even mention their real names.
I can relate to what Hyung Jin is saying 100% because
I think I know what I mean when he said that.
I am the older sister of two daughters.
Even if I am sick...
I cannot say that I am sick.
Whenever our family went through something difficult
I told them, 'What? I am here. Trust me.'
'Are you stressed out? It's nothing. Don't worry about it. I'll take care of it.'
'Mom? Mom, I guess you are pretty delicate, Mom.'
I would say that and cry all by myself
because it made me nervous and scared too.
Wait, let's check that answer.
- Yes... - 'I am all right.'
So...
'I am going through a difficult time and feel not so good but... '
'I always say not to worry about me so that they won't feel burdened.'
I think there are a lot of people who can relate to that.
I think it might be within ranking.
Let's check the answer!
[First place for men.]
'When my situation isn't going well, I say that I am all right and that it's nothing.'
That's it. That's probably it.
- Men do that. - I was going to say that.
- Oh, I am so shocked. - It is because...
The biggest lie for men.
They say men want to be the pillar of their family even if they walk with a cane.
Men do absolutely everything they can to hide that they weak.
They do absolutely everything and anything.
After things have settled and resolved, having gone through stress and pain
then they talk about it as their heroic exploits.
'It was like that but because it was me, I handled it.'
Yes, that's true.
By then, they shortened their life span by several years.
As a wife and a mom, I feel shocked and sad to hear this because
I've never seen my husband saying that he feels strained.
So that's why I was saying
'My father must have struggled a lot.'
If someone of an absolute power can guarantee me that my children
won't have to go through the pain and struggles I went through in my life
I don't care if I have to disappear off the face of the planet right this moment.
I have thought things like that.
We don't know what kind of insults and embarrassment our dads had to go through
so that they would be able to provide for the family, right?
Because of pressure like that, men drink because they have to.
Honey, I'll drink tonight.
- I feel upset. - Let's reserve a table.
I have something similar to that.
Should we play a game of 'Who Had It the Worst?'
[Talk Battle: The winds of hardship blows on my life.]
About ten to fifteen years ago when the real estate market in our country was about to collapse
I invested in it at that time.
I've been a voice actor for about 35 years.
Foreign currency was the biggest source of income for voice actors.
After the IMF crisis, they stopped importing foreign movies.
That's when the import of foreign movies was cut in half.
Three things collapsed on me at the same time.
They call it, 'Three unfortunate events.'
- They usually happen at the same time. - That's right.
The price of the real estate I invested in kept plummeting.
Because of that, somebody swindled me.
I got ill as well.
These three things happened at once about twelve years ago.
And my income slowly start to decrease.
I used to do at least two projects a day.
I was getting less and less work and at one point I didn't have to go out at all.
You know when you buy a real estate, you don't always use your own money, right?
There are many people who did the same thing.
Many people struggle to just to pay the interest and your lost their money just like that.
You can't tell anybody about it either.
That's true.
[He relates to him so well that he cries.]
Not every year, every month I felt so nervous.
My wife knew about it so at the 20th day of the month, she looked so pale.
She wanted to just die because it was a continuation of unending stress.
This situation dragged on for years.
If you haven't gone through it yourself, you have no idea.
When you look at how the real estate market was back then...
There were people who invested in one thing but at the time I...
I don't know how I was so courageous. I invested in so many projects.
I didn't know what else to do.
I told my children openly and honestly about it because they were all grown up.
'This is the situation, so you need to be frugal with spending as well.'
So our youngest son took a break from university studies and enlisted in the army.
They pay you for those two years, right?
When he came back, the situation still wasn't resolved.
So he had to get a student loan to pay for the tuition.
Going through things like this, I felt like I was in hell.
Because of that, I decided to...
You know the trucks they drive for a living, right?
I got licensed for it so I could make money driving trucks.
I wasn't a part of a company but I bought my own truck and worked when I could.
I wanted to voice-overs whenever I got the chance
and I wanted to drive trucks on my spare time.
- It's such a hard thing to do. - Yes, of course.
Yes, of course.
It's all right if it's just physically demanding
but for that job, I needed to carry around a walkie-talkie
so that whenever there was a job opening, I could contact them and take the job.
If you aren't quick enough, other people take the job.
Do you still carry debt from back then?
I still do.
I still have some.
I paid some of it back after I worked in movies.
A friend told me, 'I hear things are going well for you.'
That means I am making a lot of money.
'Things are going well,' I tell them.
'I still have debt to pay.' I can't say that.
This is the first time you are saying it on air here at Hwasin, right?
That's true. I still have some more to pay back.
- But now you feel less stressed about it? - Yes.
Things are hopeful and I am getting work now.
When you were telling me that
I understand that's how my dad must have felt.
You know, I...
Our family went through complete bankruptcy.
Now things are same as before.
We had no hope since 2011.
- It happened recently. - Yes, it is.
That's when I felt regret for the work I was doing.
'Maybe this is not my path. Maybe I am not supposed to be an actress.'
As an actress, we get to work if we get hired or we wait indefinitely, right?
But I felt I shouldn't just wait and do nothing.
I wasn't sure about getting a job either.
I thought I would feel strange if people recognizes me or if they didn't.
It was a very ambiguous situation.
So I thought about doing jobs like sorting mail, packaging items, or putting things together.
- Getting paid based on the work you do. - Yes.
Jobs like that you do at a certain location with few people around you.
Because I don't have to encounter many people, right?
I looked for that kind of job everywhere.
I realized that I had been underestimating how the world worked at that time.
I couldn't find a job.
I thought there would be an abundance of job openings like that.
Whenever I applied for a job like that, they always told me the positions have been filled.
- Really? - Really, they were.
Why are we so sad today?
[You can't listen to it without crying.]
What kind of job were you looking for?
Sorting out mail means you sort out mail.
How much a month do you get paid doing that?
A ten or thirteen hour shift paid you 40,000 or 45,000 won a day.
So you were making about 1,300,000 won a month?
But we weren't getting work everyday of the month.
We were working 20 to 25 days a month.
- So you make about one million won a month. - Yes, about that much.
And it's not an easy work either.
You have to pay for your own transportation and food.
I told my manager at my agency about the situation.
I told him I will work a part-time job like that when I am not working.
Then, a week later, he brought me scripts for independent movies.
'They don't pay you too much... '
'but you should get paid more than working at places like that,' he told me.
So I took on those jobs feeling so grateful for them.
I worked a month and another month and...
That's when...
I came across 'My Husband Got a Family' in 2012.
Just because everything was collapsing for you.
I was feeling so desperate about everything.
That means you remained unknown for quite a long time...
Yes, it was. I debuted in the year 2000.
- About ten years? - Yes, longer than ten years.
Oh, I see.
But you never knew 'My Husband Got a Family' would be a big hit.
No, I couldn't even think about that.
There was no guarantee that 'My Husband Got a Family' would be a hit.
When you receive a script while you're going through a difficult situation like that
you act as if it's either do-or-die.
That's when you could do your best as an actor.
What situation were you in when you acted in 'The Crucible?'
I was praying whenever I had time.
That's when I got the script for 'The Crucible.'
But at the time, it was the first time I acted in a film.
When I practiced for my role, I felt so off.
So my daughter recorded me practicing for my role on her camcorder.
The idea of practicing in front of my daughter was...
The nature of the character he played was...
But I had to do it.
- It was a golden opportunity. - Yes, that's right.
So I... just...
decided to forget about myself and...
[Put a mask on.... ]
It's been a long time since I heard that.
I forgot about myself and I practiced.
I was feeling shy and embarrassed in the beginning
but as time went on, we kept repeating it and reviewing it, acting and reviewing it.
'Dad, this one looks similar to his twin brother,' she told me.
I replied, 'Ah, really?'
I secret felt embarrassed about it so I did it again.
'Okay, that's good,' she told me.
That's how I practiced for the role. I think I still have those video tapes.
[Practicing with his daughter.]
- Is it recording? - Yeah.
I am stressed out because of all the inspections and all.
Why say anything? They can't even hear you.
What?
That makes sense.
Knock, knock.
Because I practiced that way, I could perform that role.
We are doing the 'Who Had It the Worst' competition.
'I was struggling this much and it was stressful situation because of this.'
- Currently... - Gwang is the most favorable candidate.
I know he's young but I would like to hear his sad story too.
Tell us your sad story.
I think mine is not as serious as theirs.
I'll add that into consideration.
We'll take that into consideration.
When I came to Seoul...
Working as a model...
I felt hesitant about asking my parents for help because
my father was unemployed for a long time then.
So...
I used to live... at public baths...
- At public baths? - After you got to Seoul?
You had a part-time job?
I was doing a lot of jobs as a model but...
How long did you live at public baths?
I think it was about six months.
I did a lot of work as a model but...
My agency was in big financial trouble.
They weren't paying me anything so...
I would drink water for dinner.
Drinking water for dinner?
I didn't have any money...
I was... drinking water as dinner...
I snuck into public baths too.
Because you didn't have any money.
There was a public bath I always went to.
The clerk at the front door was always dozing off.
At first, I didn't notice it
but once I knew...
I snuck in at times and...
I had a friend who was doing it with me.
He had the same dream as I did and he is a model like I am.
If I asked him, 'Should we just give up?'
Both of us thought we shouldn't say it.
Agreed not to say anything like that.
So we didn't bring it up.
We are past it now, and now we are so happy.
I get to do the work I've always wanted.
- What's your friend's name? - His name is Jang Mi Gwan.
He appears on TV a little bit and doing a lot of modeling as well.
He looks like he never went through anything like that?
Looks like he was raised in a wealthy family.
The saying that I like the most is
'God gives hardships only to those who can overcome it.'
I read this phrase... when I was reading a book.
It gave me so much strength.
What's the best thing about being famous?
That my family is happy to see it.
Yes, of course.
When did things start to get a little better?
I met so many good people after I appeared on TV.
After I found a new agency, things got better.
So it was after you found a new agency?
My old agency disintegrated and I didn't get paid.
The owner ran away.
When I heard that you drank water for dinner
I thought I was listening to a story from a grandfather.
When I was young, there were students who drank water for dinner.
Yes, there were students who drank water for dinner.
The days when I wasn't working, I slept in as long as I could.
Because I felt hungry when I was awake.
So I slept in as much as I could.
The first thing we did is go through our phone books with Mi Gwan.
We looked for someone who could buy us meals.
They are usually those who've been in the business longer than we were.
Where, where is my phone?
Did you do something for your younger sister?
I did something for her high school graduation.
I got in trouble with my sister for three years for not attending her junior high school graduation.
I wanted to re-pay her all at once.
What TV drama were you in?
You are talking about a mini TV drama right?
It titled 'White Christmas.'
I dyed my hair red and he was a character who stood out.
I had six to eight good friends and they were male models.
Did you take them to her graduation ceremony?
We all had the styles that nobody saw in Jeonju before.
That's true, that's true.
Gangnam Style.
I took two of them to a hair shop I go to.
Three of us drove to Jeonju in the morning.
- Heading to your sister's graduation ceremony. - To surprise his sister.
We waited as long as we could so that there would be a lot of people when we get there.
So we got on a taxi and...
We deliberately got out of the taxi at the school gate.
The three of us walked in as if we were on a runway.
Wow, three of you!
- I can see it happening. - We wanted people to notice us.
- How did your sister react? - She didn't notice me right away.
The schoolyard was full of the families and relatives of the students.
They didn't know... what to make of us.
One of us had a red hair and the other two had ponytails.
We were dressed in black and so they were looking at us like this.
At a city of aristocrats.
One of them said, 'Hey, that guy in that TV drama.'
- 'His hair looks like bibimbab?' - I had red hair.
So they were looking at us like this.
After they heard that, they welcome us and asked me for autographs as well.
I told them that I was there for my sister's graduation ceremony.
Usually, I can't sign autographs for everyone but that day
I signed autographs for everyone.
I am sure people were wondering who you came for when you entered the school.
- Wondering who's family you were. - Wondering about that.
When you make an entrance like that and then congratulate and hug your sister--
- His sister's status goes up like this. - Of course it does.
So I thought she would appreciate it very much.
Was she embarrassed by it?
- She never changes. - What did she say?
- She didn't say much. - Like, 'Hello?'
'Oh, hello.'
She was probably shy about it.
I am sure her friends' reactions were very enthusiastic.
I think her friends liked it very much.
My friends were very charming guys as well.
One of them was Mi Gwan that I talked about.
- Your public bath friend. - Yes.
His name will be high up on most researched words.
- Jang Mi Gwan? - Jang Mi Gwan.
Tell the story about your cousin as well.
I have a cousin who is in elementary school.
He thinks that I am friends with every celebrity because I am on TV.
So when I asked him who he likes the most, he said he's a big fan of IU.
I secretly took out my cell phone and change my friend's name to IU.
- That was for your cute cousin. - Yes.
I changed the name and said, 'We are close friends. We always go eat together.'
He wasn't believing me so he asked, 'How is she? How did you become friends with her?'
'Look at this phone number,' and I showed him the number.
That's when his eyes got so big.
It displayed 'IU 010.'
I told him, 'If you get more than a 95% average, I'll give you her autograph.
So he is studying very hard right now.
For the first time ever, he secretly wants his cousin not to get more than 95% grade average.
I met someone who's close to IU.
I requested an autograph through that person.
IU, if you are watching this--
No, no, send IU an official video message.
Hi, IU. This is Kim Woo Bin.
I pretended we are close for my little cousin.
I am sorry.
My cousin is cheering for you and studying so hard as well.
Please sign an autograph for him.
I ask you.
I'll always cheer for you as well. Thank you.
You could ask Jong Shin as well.
Yes, I am good friends with Ji Eun.
Having listened to all of your stories
I think the person who went through as a hard or a harder time than Gwang is...
I think it's you.
No, we do need to do a special episode for that.
Given my age...
I went through many different experiences, many ups and downs, and struggles as well.
I think, from my perspective...
You talked about your own story...
- You have the right to be a judge. - Yes, yes.
We'll give you the right be the judge.
I went through a lot heartache starting in my mid-thirties, you know.
Because I got into other things.
Finally I realized
that being an entertainer is the only thing I am good at and I shouldn't do anything else.
If this happened in my fifties
I don't think I could endure it.
I heard you can get through it in your forties even but you can't in your fifties.
That is so true.
[Who wins this competition?]
So... I am sure it was very difficult for each person.
I think it was most difficult for Jang Gwang.
Going through it for decades.
You are the king of misery.
[We hope your future is filled with happiness.]
On the other hand, when you find out the answer with the most number of votes
it's from a totally different perspective.
Men would say, 'Really? That's it? That has the highest ranking?'
Men might feel a sense of betrayal.
Yes, by the way...
Does it makes sense this the top answer?
- Does it? - I can relate to it.
[Women can relate to the top answer.]
I couldn't mention this before but
you know, I am not yet married.
Before I came to this show, I asked two people.
'What's the most frequently told lie between men and women?' I asked them.
Both of them said
'Don't you think it's "I love you?"' They told me.
I told them, 'But that is sad.'
But I think...
Before we are married, we are lovers, right?
I wonder of could there be eternal love between men and women?
When we hear that we are loved
I think... How should I say this?
I feel like I am attractive as a female.
I know what you're saying.
I know, what she's saying is...
What I am saying is that you should mean it if you're going to say it.
I am saying you shouldn't use that word to get yourself out of a trouble.
I agree, yes.
- 'Why are you so late?' - 'Because I love you.'
[An inauthentic confession of love is just funny.]
But it is funny.
Having been married for about seven to eight years
they told us about overusing that word but it's hard to.
After being married?
Even if I felt that way, I don't say I love you that much.
I only say 'I love you' when I truly feel that way.
I don't I say it just to get out of a trouble.
- Too corny? - Yes, too corny.
What I wanted to say was
when she hears a guy saying 'I love you' to his wife
'Say you love me too,' she tells me.
It's too corny to say it like that, you know?
'Let's not,' I tell her.
'Just try and say it.' 'Okay, I love you.'
Beside saying 'I love you'
there are other ways of saying it.
For example, you could say, 'Have a great day. Cheers, I trust you.'
And I would like you to recognize that.
After having been married for about seven years
I think rather than saying 'I love you'
I say, 'Everything is going to be fine. Hang in there, Sweetie.'
- In regards to court cases? - What are you saying?
You know, I went through something like that.
She told me, 'Everything will be fine.'
That cheered me up so much!
Talking about the outcome of the court case.
Shin Dong Yup is a genius.
To him, 'I love you' is 'You will win the court case.'
Will win the court case.
Should we check the answer?
Here.
'Saying I love you many times when I don't really mean it.'
Let's check the answer!
[Not listed!]
Woo Bin, do you say I love you often or not as much?
I was thinking about the reason why I couldn't relate to the talk.
He is a 25-year-old and not married.
Wondering, 'How could they not say it?'
How do you feel listening to our talking?
I thought people in their twenties wouldn't be able to relate to this talk.
I think people who married early in their twenties might relate to it but
I don't think my friends or anyone younger than me would be able to relate to it.
Why? Are you thinking, 'Why can't they just say I love you?'
Right. And also no matter how long we were dating that person we never lived ten years together.
So we don't have that mentality.
Then, could you show us how you say 'I love you?'
When your girlfriend says, 'I love you.'
- 'I love you too.' - See, he says that right away.
He says it effortlessly.
Were your parents like that?
I think so. I've never seen them fight.
Before I wasn't able to say that either.
I usually don't tell my son, 'I love you' or 'everything will be fine.'
But I learned this from my father.
To dismantle what I've learned and say that I love them is such a hard thing to do.
It's not easy.
But a father needs to do that.
Because that how it's passed in the family lineage.
If they don't learn how a father should be, then they don't know how to be a good father.
My father is also a typical Kyungsang province man who doesn't show emotions.
When I was young, I did this.
I wanted to talk with my dad.
'Dad, what is congress?' I asked him.
Dad didn't answer me.
He dissed me so many times.
One day, I was so...
Oh, she uses that word as soon as she became a freelancer!
[She became more free in her use of language?]
I asked my dad
'Dad, why don't you answer my questions?'
My father replied
'I answer the questions that are worth answering.' He was the kind of guy who said that.
But now
when we talk via text, he tells me he loves me and he adds cute emoticons as well.
I think it's a good thing that your elders change but also a sad thing.
For dads like Dong Yup and I
the times that we look at our kids with so much love is when they are sleeping.
They can't even know it. How they are so lovable when they are sleeping, you know?
I once took a video recording of them just sleeping.
With my portable camcorder.
I think you can express too much affection, right?
- Should I give you a hint? - Yes, yes.
I am kind of a good singer.
I came to dislike you...
The song you sang with Jackie Chan recorded over hundred million downloads.
Is it something about breaking up?
I came to dislike you.
Something about wanting to end it?
When women feels so upset when fighting with her man
in order to show how bad they feel
she says, 'I think we are not a good match.'
- 'I think we should end it.' - 'I think we should end it and think it over.'
'I think we need to think it over. I think...'
'Maybe... we should... break up.'
We bring up something like this.
You haven't had many chance to bring it up, right?
It was awkward the way she re-enacted it.
'I think... I...' If you've done it many times, it's so easy to say.
- I think-- - I'll do reenactions of situations like that.
- Please do. - Let's see how you do it.
'Get out.'
That's not what we really want.
'This is how hurt and upset I am.' That's how we say it at times.
What if the man says, 'Okay... '
- What if he says that? - Then...
We cry our eyes out.
Right, we said it but if the man says 'yes' to it...
'How could you do this to me?' I tell him.
I heard men say it only when they really want to break up.
But women say it when we feel hurt or upset.
Whenever we feel that way.
I see women say it quite often.
You should say yes to it.
I've done that recently.
- So you said yes to it? - Yes.
- It seemed like she was saying that on purpose-- - So you didn't want to feel comfortable using it?
It sounded like she wanted me to say that I loved her but
because she kept acting that way, I felt angry as well.
- So did you break up with her? - No, we didn't.
Because he knew.
Right.
Try?
'When I feel sad and upset, I say we should break up when I don't even mean it.
Let's check the answer.
[First place for women.]
'In order to test his love for me, I throw it out there and say we should break up.'
- How is that possible? - When it comes to women...
Women are the animals that walk between the bridges called 'doubt' and 'joy.'
Doubt and joy?
When women take one step away from doubt and a man shows love to them
that's when women feel good.
That is so true.
It just doesn't fit.
Let me ask the women here.
If you say that you want to break up just to test your man
then, 'Honey, I want to... break up with you.' Or...
'Let's break up! I am sick and tired of this!' This one.
- Do they mean the different things? - Both of them are not it.
[You can never understand women's language.]
- Ah... - Maybe not?
Or, 'Lets! Break up.'
'Let's! Break up.' 'Let's. Break! Up.'
'Let's break up!'
Both of them mean, 'Call me when I don't feel angry anymore.'
When do women mean it when they say they want to break up?
When a woman has had it with her man, she doesn't pay attention to him anymore.
So even if he comes home late without calling
if she used to call him before
- she'll say, 'Have fun.' The end. - That's right.
If there was a TV program like this when I was young, it could've been so helpful.
That's true.
[Does it hurt a lot? It's all because of me... ]
[No! No problem! I used to fight a lot when I was young anyway!]
[I am sorry. You hate me now, right?]
[No, no! My ideal woman always has been someone who makes me want to protect her!]
[I am lying!]
[What kind of lies do you tell your lover or family?]
Let us break up. Let's break up...
[We want to be reassured that we are loved by saying, 'Let's break up.']
[Sometimes it just does not work out.]
[Dad pretends to be strong by lying and saying, 'I am all all right.']
[We look past the tears he hides within it.]
They say there is truth in lies, right?
Please don't look past the truth hidden in the lies that your beloved tells you.
- Look at women as if they are stones. - You've gone crazy.
- One, two, three. - Fighting!
[Men, let's unite!]
I like you very much. Do you want to go out with me?
- What does your father do? - You are driving me crazy.
- You were fooled, right? - I almost got fooled.
Something's wrong.
[The move that guarantees you'll make her/him yours?]
They didn't tell me...
It was all my fault...
It could be something painful for me...
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